DIAMOND DOGS (Shimon Dotan & Dolph Lundgren, 2007)

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I HAVE DIAMOND DOGS - FIRST REVIEW !!!

Postby Krom on 14 Jul 2007, 17:14

Hello guys,

Haven't talk here since The defender ;)
Today i was able to get a dvdscreener of Diamond Dogs (95 minutes version)

THE REVIEW ( NO SPOILERS)

First of all my favorites are Joshua Tree, Unisoldier and Showdown.... then Rocky 4, Dark Angel and The Punisher.

Diamond Dog is one of his most interesting films in his career because of the story and the film making style.
Because of the cinematography and camera angles it looks like a Documentary - Reality Show, this style gives a more realistic feeling to the movie.
There's no CGI or other filter effects in this movie, sometimes is too much not cinematic :), but the idea is good and the movie is well done. You can feel that is executive produced by Dolph.
The sountrack is very good edited and everything's looks better than many dtv movies.
Dolph's in a great shape, lot of action, fights and other stuff.... and even the hairstyle is ok but i'm happy it's just for one movie:)
It's a step forward and i hope the sequel (or Ronson trilogy) will be more like Indiana Jones.The movie had potential, but nothing is perfect (for me Retrograde had a huge potential but failed due to direction and low low budget). I'm waiting for a big budget actioner from him and i really can't wait for Missionary Man ( the promo clip delivers).

Finally buy this movie! and i hope Dolph's will direct all his movies from now and will not do anything like Agent Red, The last patrol, Jill Rips, etc. etc. EVER.
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Postby Jox on 14 Jul 2007, 22:03

Sounds cool.

Is the movie getting released soon in Romania?
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Postby Krom on 15 Jul 2007, 10:24

Almost with R2 Germany release and I hope with the same cover.
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Postby Tom on 16 Jul 2007, 12:42

Not sure what to make of the docu-style. That said it's different to the norm and a fresher approach to usual for that sort of film. It might make the film more immersive. Can't wait to see it. Still can't shake the feeling it'll be filler until MM. It has been far too long since the Mechanik though so I'm getting itchy.
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Postby Nathan on 16 Jul 2007, 13:28

Me too - just think - Diamond Dogs went into post last November - long time ago.
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Postby Nathan on 16 Jul 2007, 14:24

I have a few questions Krom - please answer them

- Is Diamond Dogs violent
- Are there any explosions
- Is the final fight long (presuming there is one)


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Postby Tom on 16 Jul 2007, 16:29

I've just seen DD. And in answer to your questions:

DD is violent, there's one explosion and there's an end fight, but it's very short. I'll post a review later but it won't be a good one I'm afraid. I won't give away any big spoilers (there aren't many anyway), but if anyone doesn't want me to post a review, just say now. But there's not much to give away.

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Postby Nathan on 16 Jul 2007, 18:50

I would like you to post a review Tom if you have a spare moment - You said the review won't be a good one - does that mean that it will be a negative review or just that you are bad at writing them?
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Postby Tom on 16 Jul 2007, 19:22

In answer to your questions Nathan, the review will be negative (still only my own opinion mind you) and as for whether it'll be well written, I'll let you be the judge. (the review is marked out of five)

Following on from his top class effort, the Mechanik, Dolph brings out the dukes for Diamond Dogs. And in something akin to Christmas time as a young oik, excitedly opening your stocking, only to find lumps of coal, the result is disappointing to say the least. Diamond Dogs is a film that on paper, looked good. It had lots of promise. Dolph Lundgren playing an Indiana Jones style adventurer, filmed in China, home of the maddest stunt men, and best fight choreographers. None of the elements that could have made this one of the ultimate Dolph flicks, are delivered.

The story revolves around Ronson, ex- green beret, now gun for hire, who is hired to guide an expedition group looking for a valuable artefact called the Tangka. A group of Russian military mercenaries are also after the item, on behalf of some unknown (and never fully explained) person. The film is full of so many plot-holes, and just lacks any cohesive structure at all. This is not to say it’s the scripts fault. The previous outlines of Diamond Dogs, were far better, more interesting and on paper made for a more exciting time (I suppose it helps that the imagination has a limitless budget). Sadly Leopald St Pierre’s screenplay has been butchered and gradually sapped of all things expensive and interesting. On paper Ronson is cool, like Indy. But in this he’s dull and uninteresting. Of some of the trimmed elements and resultant plot-holes, there’s a side story about mysterious deaths that was in the initial plot, but hasn’t made the final film, yet a curse it is still referenced. They still refer to it, and never expand on it, leaving a couple of pointless and obsolete dialogue scenes. If they were going to cut out the curse plotline, they should have removed all semblance of it. They didn’t, and that’s bad moviemaking.

The look of the film is one that screams “cheap!” It looks awful. The director Shimon Dotan (who is worryingly credited under a pseudonym) seems to have gone for a real natural, docu kind of look, almost like The Bourne Supremacy, but sadly because the film is so stagy, so actey, and so phoney, it never works. In Bourne we felt as if we in amongst the happenings of something real. Because the directors key decision doesn’t work, this film ends up looking like a home movie, a really badly acted one. If you’ve ever seen one of those Star-Wars fan films, then you’ll get deja-vu watching this, because it feels like a Dolph-fan film, with some guy in it pretending to be Dolph, only it is Dolph (?). The big man is in great shape here, no doubt, but sadly he seems bored. Not quite Retrograde bored, but pretty close. The film is only better than Dolph’s career low, Retrograde, because it has more action. Unfortunately, aside from a few brief moments that border serviceable, most of the action is mediocre, poorly co-ordinated and lacking in flair and style. Such a horrifying fact when you consider some of the probably cheap and awesome stunt crews that must have been available.
Indeed this film looks like there was barely a cent spent on it, again because of the home-movie cinematography, and the lack of visual flourishes like effects, sets etc (A water rapids action scene, and a crumbling treasure tomb are axed from the first draft, for budgetary reasons most likely). There’s some nice locations that are made to look flat and dull and it’s near criminal. It’s such a poorly constructed movie and none of the creative decisions seem to work.

The cast are universally poor. As I say, Lundgren looks achingly bored, going through the motions, and clearly with the look of dissatisfaction in his head. It’s almost as if during takes, he was simply day-dreaming up stuff he could put in Missionary Man. Apparently Dolph was frustrated throughout filming, because the cast and crew, and production were so poor, and it seems to be true. The Ronson character should have been cool, should have been badass, but wasn’t because of all the elements as delivered on film. All the extras, side characters etc, are appalling but most diabolical is William Shriver as Chambers, who delivers one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen. It’s near vomit inducing. Sadly there’s little of note here, aside from some neat sound design, and the odd moment where the film-makers forgot to ape Bourne, and keep the camera still, whilst some proper lighting was used to. Though these bright spots are few and far between. The lack of decent stunts, and explosive action, is gut-wrenching considering the location and the calibre of crews available. Elsewhere, the score by Larry Cohen sounds awful most of the time, and only adds to disengage the audience from proceedings.

As a big Dolph fan this is big letdown. The sequel, Tumbling Dice has great potential, and with Dolph supposedly going to take the reigns this time, it could actually deliver on its promise, though DD is destined to struggle in finding US distribution I feel, as Retrograde did. When it does it’ll do very little anyhow. As such a sequel seems a long way off, and would certainly need a far, far bigger budget (this one was no where near the IMDB guesstimate of $6million. It probably wasn’t even $1million). It seems we’ll have to wait for Missionary Man to once again feel the satisfaction of Dolph on form and in his element. This is a turkey. *1/2
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Postby Nathan on 16 Jul 2007, 19:37

Very long and gripping review Tom - well done.
Pity the film isn't as good as your review - I was expecting the exact opposite from what you describe: stylish action, exotic locations and Dolph playing a very deep and interesting character with a past - when I first read the synopsis it sounded like a bloody amazing adventure with lots of jungle and desert action and lots of dirty hand-to-hand combat. Obviously not. As you say it is only your opinion - but I trust you as a fan of Dolph to give an honest and sensible depiction of the film.
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Postby Tom on 17 Jul 2007, 00:36

Jox wrote:Thoughts from a certain David Williams about his experience on DD

My first acting role in a Hollywood film!

On September 1, I was called by one of my acting agents, Zheng, to go to an audition for a Hollywood movie part on the 3rd. On September 3rd, I auditioned for the American film “Diamond Dogs” with Dolph Lundgren, who was to play the lead role of Ronson. I auditioned for two parts, the role of Lassiter(which eventually was cut by the director), and the role of Jim, the lead body guard who would be defending the enemy of Ronson, Chambers. The film was a low budget film with a Chinese producer, a Canadian director and the internationally known movie star Dolph Lundgren. The film had about a dozen other acting parts, half-foreign and half-Chinese roles. All these roles were auditioned for and selected in Beijing. I was very happy that I was chosen for one of those parts. On September 12th I received a call from the movie's producer and was told that the director was interested in me, but Zheng, my agent was acting too much. The film would be shooting for about 5 weeks in Inner Mongolia, and Zheng was asking for about 60,000 rmb. The producer told me the most that they could offer me is 15,000 rmb. I am not good at bargaining, but I asked if it could be 20,000 rmb. He said no, and I with some hesitation accepted the 15,000-rmb offer. It wasn't as much as I deserved, I but I was also screaming for a chance like this, so I took there offer [note: a month later, after I was almost done filming, Zheng, the agent who took me to the original audition, tried to get me to pay him 20% of what I had made! I politely declined and said I was the one who they bargained with, and he didn’t help me at all with that part. If he had asked for 5%, I might have considered it, but 20% was too much to ask.] The filming was to start on September 19th. On September 15th, the director called me into his temporary office to offer me a sweetened proposition: Would I like to play the role of Dolph's body double in addition to playing Jim? I had no experience being a body double or stunt performer before, but I was a weight lifter and former college football player, so I said yes. The pay would be increased to 23,000 rmb for the 5 weeks. I had many questions in my mind: What exactly would I have to do? Ride a horse? Fall off a horse? Take punches? Fall out of a moving car? I did not know exactly what to think and I knew that the director was not going to tell me exactly what I had to do. After all, the start date was less than a week away and they had no stunt double for Dolph Lundgren. After that meeting, the fight coordinator, Barry, immediately took me outside to a grassy park across the street to see if I had the right “stuff” to be a body double. He asked me to show him a few punches and kick moves. I did my best Karate Kid impersonation and whiff-kicked the air with a flurry of aggravated, infuriated power. Once I finished my shadow boxing presentation, I could tell by the look on his face that he was not only un- impressed, he was downright worried, because I obviously had no experience in fighting and they had no one else to do the job. After that, he shrugged his shoulders and said he needed to show me how it's done. He shoved me aside and gave me a brief class on how to do a quick right-left uppercut punch and then a high kick to the face. After a few tries, I started getting the hang of it. He said, “You’ll do, just go home and practice in front of the mirror a couple of times.” Therefore, that is what I did: I went home and practiced. As the day of reckoning finally arrived, September 19th, 2006. I was ready to head off to film my first big movie role in my life. The first day of filming for Diamond Dogs was a cool, late September day. I could feel the tension and excitement in the air as cast and crew readied themselves for the long experience ahead. I, personally, was also about to make my goal of making 20,000 rmb a month!

Before I left for Inner Mongolia, I had one more modeling job to do. It was a one day, 1000 rmb job in north Beijing for Eau Ravie, a French makeup company. I just had to greet guests coming to a one-day event put on by Eau Ravie at a French mansion in a suburb north of Beijing. I got to where a white tuxedo and ended up working for only about 2 hours and spending the rest of the time chatting with the meilis(may-lees), or pretty Chinese girls, that were also hired. Since I had a plane to Inner Mongolia to catch at 9 pm that night, my agent, Ellen let me go at 5 pm.

September 19th –October 23rd: Filming Diamond Dogs. When I landed in Hohhot, it was late at night on the 19th. I couldn't see much outside of the windows, because the city isn't very big for one thing and it was also foggy. The van driver drove me to the Ziyu jiudian (Ziyu hotel), where the cast and crew were staying. It was a decent Chinese hotel with a massage parlor and KTV and two restaurants all inside. The sign above the front desk claimed that it was “5 star”, but I highly doubted it was that highly rated. It was not that nice of a hotel. I think the management put it up betting that no one would care enough to ask them for proof. During the course of the stay (5 weeks) at Zi Yu, I enjoyed many times over the special massages that you could get on the first floor, for only about 50 rmb (9 dollars) an hour. In America, massages start at 60 dollars per hour, so it is a luxury reserved for one's birthday or when a friend buys a massage for you as a special gift. In China, it is a normal activity, like going to the gym. In China, massage places are on every corner the way hair and nail salons are on every corner in American cities. There is a lot of competition, so the rates are very low. Massages come in every kind of variety too: using oil, mud, men masseurs, women masseurs, “happy endings”, foot massages, and more.

On the first day of filming on September 19, the call time was 5:30 am, for makeup. Breakfast was at 6 am on the second floor and we had to be in the vans and buses with our gear by 6:30 am. I had been given a crew cut, so I looked like a military officer. As we arrived at the site of filming, everyone was confused as to what to do. Everyday on the set it seemed like organized chaos with Dolph and the director speaking English and most everyone else speaking Chinese. Often times I not only served as actor and body double, but as interpreter. One of my goals as the film started shooting was to find every opportunity I could to speak in the film. In Hollywood, every actor knows that getting to speak in a movie is a big deal. Therefore, in almost every scene I would say something I thought could work… something that wouldn't be edited out. On the second day of filming, we were on location at an outdoor bar. The scene was where Dolph, Chambers, I and the other two bodyguards come into a bar and see Doph's ex- girlfriend singing. Before the scene started, I told the director I wanted to say something, and he said, “Just say something like, ‘what’s going on.’” Therefore, the scene started and as I followed the lead actor in, I said, “What’s up?” to Ronson (Dolph). Dolph, after the scene was over asked me, “What did you say?” I said, “What’s the deal”. He said, “Was that in the script?” When told him no he asked me why I said it. I said, “The director said I could add in a line.” He immediately stormed off to the director and I could hear him say something about not letting these bad actors ad-lib. I was taken aback by his pompous attitude, but I wasn’t abated. As the days of shooting wore on, I always was adding in small lines. I gradually gained more confidence and Dolph gradually got more permissive, and I think respected my courage. At what point, though, we had a misunderstanding on a line and he got particularly irritated. It was an important scene, one in which Chambers’ butler dies in the back of my jeep, after a run-in with the bad guys. Dolph tells me to say into the walkie-talkie, “Pull over,” then pull the jeep over, and then as Ronson approaches the jeep, say, “he's dead”. We started filming, and I said my line and pulled the jeep over. Ronson approaches me and the dead guy and I say “he's dead.” Dolph immediately calls “CUT!” and says, “Why are you always stealing my fucking lines!?” I said, “I thought you told me to say it”, and he just said, “No, that's what I say!” So, I let it be because that was the way Dolph was. The Chinese crew of the movie had a nickname for Dolph: “Da Xin Xin”, which means “big gorilla.” They called him that because not only he was big with extra long arms, but also he had a habit of getting very belligerent and swearing any time the cast or crew made mistakes. He would curse people out and talk about how poorly run the movie was. Some days he was nice though, so I didn't mind him too much. As the movie wound to a close I thought about all the lines I had thrown in to the film and said a silent prayer to myself that at least a few would survive the editing room. As the movie isn't out yet as of this printing, I have no way of knowing what my first Hollywood movie debut will look or sound like. October 23 was my last day of shooting on Diamond Dogs and I boarded my plane back to Beijing.


from http://www.pinay-ladies.blogspot.com/


Incidentally this is all true it seems. Also as I suspected the guy was a horrendous actor, though far from the worst in this film. I think Dolph may have got the shaft when he turned up with such a shoddy production waiting.

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Postby Moltisanti on 17 Jul 2007, 04:03

Sad to hear that DIAMOND DOGS is a step back for Lundgren. I'm still looking forward to seeing it for myself but my expectations are lowered a bit.

Guess I'll have to pin my hopes on MISSIONARY MAN delivering the goods.
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regarding a certain David Williams quote;

Postby buddy on 17 Jul 2007, 05:04

Hi, I am just visiting here, and probably won't write here often, but was looking at this nice site and noticed the above thread about David William's experience on Diamond Dogs and feel compelled to comment. You are all true Dolph fans and you deserve a little better information.

I was part of this production and can tell you that what David is saying is about 95% nonsense. The production was not big budget, and there were some confusions due to culture, location, etc, however, any production (especially one in an exotic location) is a few parts organized chaos. Anyone who works in the film industry knows this. Also, there are always a core group of people (which did not include David Williams) who are extremely focused and professional, while there are many others with lesser (but important) contributions to make who spend most of their time waiting around and wondering what the heck is going on. That is the film business.

Dolph is a gentleman and was absolutely never rude to anyone that I witnessed or heard of on or off the set and almost never lost his temper, save one or two very small and justified occasions. That is not easy to do under such circumstances and pressures and what Mr Williams says is simply not accurate. David is a nice kid but is a total newcomer to films and simply gives the wrong impression, while not really knowing what he is talking about.

DDogs is looking good and that's that.

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Postby buddy on 17 Jul 2007, 05:48

Tom, hi and thanks for the review. I just posted on another thread, as a member of the DDogs prod crew, and said essentially good things about the film, having not seen it. I am sorry to hear that it may look so poor.

It's always difficult to tell what it will look like on screen and without 'dailies'.
Unfortunately, your review is ominous.

My question for you is this; where did you see it and is there a trailer or anything on the internet we poor production folks can check out?

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Postby Mosquito on 17 Jul 2007, 23:49

Hi Tom, thanks for the elaborate review! Big disappointment that DD seems to be so bad. Gosh. Just when I thought that his films are getting better and better again (of shall we say less and less bad...). *sigh*

Give me back the times of Men of War and UniSol. *sigh*
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