DIAMOND DOGS (Shimon Dotan & Dolph Lundgren, 2007)

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Postby Mosquito on 10 Sep 2007, 21:05

Jekaterina wrote:I hope it isn't just a german version, I am really annoyed about those.


Nope, I can confirm that there's also the original English version! I've watched only about 10 minutes so far but will watch the rest tonight. Yippiiiieeeeehhhhhh!
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Postby Nathan on 10 Sep 2007, 21:55

Tell us what you think of it!!! :D
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Postby Mosquito on 11 Sep 2007, 01:02

Nathan wrote:Tell us what you think of it!!! :D


Ok, the credits are scrolling... I'm very tired, so here's a quick impression:

Very good! Not much action, no sex. Still very good. :mrgreen:

A few shootouts, even fewer hand-to-hand fights (not enough IMHO). Very nice landscapes, very good female actors. The guy who plays Chambers is the only real failure. No wonder; he's not an actor but a "visual artist" (according to the IMDB) and this was only his second movie. Hope they didn't pay him more than 5.000 for that. Over all much better than The Defender, better than Direct Action. Hm, have to watch The Mechanik again for a comparison.

And I think this is not the final version. The sound is pretty poor during several short dialoguies. Thank God for the German subtitles (I switched them on and off during the whole movie, for parts with poor sound and for the frequent short Mongolean dialogues).

Good night!

PS: Oh... the story, I forgot. ;-) Thinking of youtube, this is too much for "Diamond Dogs in 5 seconds" but I think you can boil down the movie to less than 5 minutes in order to tell the whole story without missing something. The bad guys appear John Woo-style: Out of the blue and you can't find a reason why they come back JUST NOW. But who cares. ;-)
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Postby Nathan on 11 Sep 2007, 01:14

Thanks! Sounds interesting lol

Few questions if you don't mind, answer them at you leisure:

- What kind of character did Dolph play?
- Was it violent?
- Did it look and feel professional?
- Does Dolph fire a machine gun or have any cool 8) weapons?


Thanks again!
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Postby Darling on 11 Sep 2007, 13:00

Hi Mosquito, How did you recognized that this movie is not the final Version?Please explain me.Nobody knows about this new Version,except Jox.
I thought,that you like this Movie! I think Direct Action is much better and also Mechanik.

Bye the way I have two german Movie Poster of Diamond Dogs,so I will give one for free to someone of you,who will get it???Please let me know.
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Postby Geoff on 11 Sep 2007, 13:30

But when does the rest of the planet get to see it? :D
- Lets be honest. This is just a case to you, to me its more. Much more! and if you try and take this disk I'm going to hit you very, very hard!
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Postby Geoff on 11 Sep 2007, 13:35

Wow, great looking trailer! I cant wait...................
- Lets be honest. This is just a case to you, to me its more. Much more! and if you try and take this disk I'm going to hit you very, very hard!
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Postby Jox on 11 Sep 2007, 13:38

Darling wrote:Hi Mosquito, How did you recognized that this movie is not the final Version?Please explain me.Nobody knows about this new Version,except Jox.

I know because reliable sources involved in it told me when it was in the work. Although the new version hasn't been out yet, I'm sure even you could tell how the so far released version was scraped and put together quickly: there's a reason why a new version is made to attempt to fix things, it's because the first cut is so bad and doesn't make much sense in the end...

Yes Mosquito you could sum up the DD storyline to almost nothing and yet that's the most depressing and sad thing about it because the script was so much more... I mean finding the artifact takes them almost the entire film whereas in the script it was only the first act, there was a lot more happening on their journey back, a subplot involving a curse killing each character one by one etc etc etc...
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Postby Mosquito on 11 Sep 2007, 17:39

The trailer doesn't represent the movie AT ALL. It's a good trailer, though. I love the super-cheesy "Got a problem?" part. Gosh. That font! That voice! That style! It is SO cheapo-eighties. But I love it for being so cheesy. ;-) The movie is totally different. I'll go into more detail tonight, in the other thread. No time right now.
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Postby Rover on 11 Sep 2007, 19:04

Haha, you're right about the cheesyness...You know, there's an advert on french TV for the A-Team serie, well, this reminds me of this trailer :D
But it's ok, I love this style
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Postby Mosquito on 11 Sep 2007, 22:39

Nathan wrote:- What kind of character did Dolph play?
- Was it violent?
- Did it look and feel professional?
- Does Dolph fire a machine gun or have any cool 8) weapons?
Thanks again!


Aloha! Ok, I should be working on a lecture. But this is more fun. ;-)

1. Dolph's character

A bit like his role in Men of War but with a better tendency: Ex-Marine, likes to drink, has a dark past and a frustrated presence. Fights for money but still is in debt and in frequent trouble with the law (no stranger to the judge). But pretty much from the beginning of the journey we notice that he's a good guy. He knows and honours the locals, certainly is no saint but he dislikes the violence that he is forced to use and that happens around him. He doesn't approve for all the killing and violence that comes along with the hunt for the relic.


2. Was it violent?

Hm, like I said there were a few shootouts, some hand-to-hand fights and one attempted rape. But those things happened somehow... well, detached? Jox mentioned that the movie will probably be altered, that there's not much left from the good story in the script e.g. So I had the feeling that the fights in this movie were just thrown in without a good concept. That's why it didn't move me much. Like: There was the story of the hunt for that relic, there were two parties that wanted the thing. There was a bunch of highwaymen who caused a short "irritation" and there were the paid fights in the beginning. So... hm... hard to say. I'd call it a treasure hunting story with occasional violence thrown in in order to label it an "action movie". I've watched "28 Weeks Later" the night before. That WAS violent. But hardly better than Diamond Dogs. Just a bigger budget.


3. Did it look and feel professional?

Obviously not if you compare it to Die Hard or something. BUT: after all the bad things I heard I was surprised about the quality they still managed to bring to the screen. I had expected something cheaper than Detention, something really, really bad, but it wasn't at all. Ok, I haven't studied film so what I say is really just what I noticed and how I feel about it as an average fan.

They really had some very nice landscapes, a beautiful sunset and some very nice local costumes. The locations seemed very authentic to me (just a feeling because I have never been to Mongolia) and the little festival reminded me of the friendly and lovely atmosphere of those parties in "Black Cat, White Cat" (by Emir Kusturica - check it out!). So, the locations and things (cars, rooms, props) often looked cheap & dirty but that was totally ok because this was Inner Mongolia and not New York City. It was confincing and good, IMHO.

Especially during the last fight I thought "Man, did you forget to bring the tripod?" - that was not the (also very annoying) shaky cam that pesters screens since The Blair Wich Project. This here was just unsteady. And during one fight I thought "Hm, that looks like it was a very slow, very short and lame fight but they shook the camera, used obscure angles, we don't know what's actually going on and they wanted to keep it that way".


SPOILER WARNING (mild though):

I was absolutely not confinced by the boobie trap (not actually a spoiler because they talk about it in advance). You have never seen such a slow boobie trap before and I thought that you'd move with the speed of a Zombie in order to walk into it. And you wouldn't believe how easy it is to get out of a cave after a landslide...

END OF SPOILER

Some people died unexpectedly and quite unspectacularly. They wasted some good opportunities.

The actors were ok, some were very good. I think the problem with the Chambers guy was that he talked in a funny way and came across too friendly. Hard to describe. One problem was caused by the script: When Chambers was introduced he taunts Dolph and kind of blackmails him into joining the project. So you'd expect that he's a bad guy. But he isn't. Not really. He often seems (too) friendly, but then again he wants that relic no matter what. From his appearance and voice he reminded me a bit of Ben Kingsley. Same underlying friendlyness - but Kingsley can suddenly appear very menacing. Shriver can't. Or Kingsley has better scripts. ;-)

Chambers's stepdaughter seems uninteresting at first but during the movie she is more and more appalled and despaired about what's going on. I thought she was very good. The bad guy, well, he's the 100% bad guy and he's good at that.

Dolph's part: Very good. And please don't think "Ah, she's a die hard fan, she'll love every performance". Nope. I think I've often enough critizised some aspects of Dolph's acting, so when I say he was very good in this role, you can believe me. ;-) For example the part of the "frustrated ex-hero who drinks and wastes his days". I thought he wasn't too convincing with a bottle in MoW, Sweepers or Jill Rips. But this time I really believed it. Yes, he came across as guy on the wrong side of the street. For the very first time. And he was good. There's only one thing I have to complain about: To grieve for someone doesn't mean "Look weird, blink, shake head, go on". Nope. Has to practice grieving. Or maybe avoid those scenes completely. Lost cause. ;-)

From what we've heard about that movie in the past I think they made the best out of what they got.


Does Dolph fire a machine gun or have any cool 8) weapons?

Nope, not that I noticed (but I'm not interested in weapons, so maybe you should ask someone else). Some old piece of wood that he called a sniper gun. Hm. That thing in Silent Trigger was a sniper gun, right? This one here looked to me (who's only experienced with air and small bore guns) like a historic exhibit that is good for beating someone to death. Than he had a knife... shorter than a saber, bigger than a kitchen tool. ;-) Not impressive. A pistol, nothing special. Guess that's it. But honestly, I don't spend a lot of attention on weapons. I would have preferred more martial arts. Gosh, that was Asia and he's a Karate champion. What a wasted opportunity. Again. Did I mention that he should team up with Mark Dacascos for a nice SiLT-style movie?

Ok, thank you very much if you managed to stay with me for this lengthy review. ;-) I'd really love to watch the movie together with all of you nice guys here and discuss it afterwards over a nice bottle of red wine. But we have to wait until somebody finally comes up with the Star Trek beamer.


Gosh. Time for my lecture. *sigh*

PS: I don't know if any of you voted 10 on the imdb. I think it doesn't help the movie because a) it is not believable and b) the imdb has a weighted average (see Tom's old, excellent post about that) and you help more if you vote 8 or 9. I stick to my personal truth and voted 5 (almost 6 but... no).
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Postby Mosquito on 11 Sep 2007, 22:44

Darling wrote:Hi Mosquito, How did you recognized that this movie is not the final Version?Please explain me.Nobody knows about this new Version,except Jox.
I thought,that you like this Movie!


Yes, I liked the movie! And I *think* it is not the final version because

a) Jox told us that it might not be the final one so I sought for indicators.
b) There were several dialogues that were hardly understandable (poor sound) so I took that as an indicator for "Not the final version".

But I don't know for sure, obviously.
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Postby Rover on 12 Sep 2007, 10:32

one here looked to me (who's only experienced with air and small bore guns) like a historic exhibit that is good for beating someone to death.

Did he actually use it in this purpose?? I'd pay to see that :D
Thanks for your long post Mosquito, now I think I know what to expect :)
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Postby Jekaterina on 12 Sep 2007, 12:32

To grieve for someone doesn't mean "Look weird, blink, shake head, go on". Nope. Has to practice grieving. Or maybe avoid those scenes completely. Lost cause. ;-)


I couldn't have put that any better!

Did you see the "Pleurnisher" on youtube?
Dolph can be a real cry-baby if he wants to. Wahahaaahaaa!

:wink:

More seriously, I don't think there is a place for expressing feelings like grief in most of Dolphs movies.
And his characters are mostly guys who have very long experience in suppressing their emotions.

But I agree, if his character is so emotionally crippled that he can't grieve, he should find a way to express that in a convincing way.
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Postby Jox on 12 Sep 2007, 15:54

Some member from the crew posted this on the DD IMDB discussion board
little time schedule - 5 to 6 week, money difficult problems, no before time, no rehearsals, and NO director - more similar stage manager. director photography, actors, crew, all good, but under situation not going to look great. any actor, camera, director look bad under that circumstances.
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